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Topic : 12/08 Extreme Follow-up

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Created on : Friday, December 02, 2005, 03:49:46 pm
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Dr. Phil checks back in with some of his most explosive guests from this season. Michelle's anger was so intense, her family lived in constant fear of her temper. She was screaming obscenities at her husband, Jamey, and yelling at her daughters until they were physically sick. Jamey said her anger was so bad, he frequently considered divorce. Was Michelle able to get her rage under control? Plus, Cathy and Micki were constantly feuding with their half-sister, Hollie, over painful memories of being molested by their stepfather, Hollie's dad. Hollie was stuck in the middle and wanted her sisters to forgive her father. Were they able to end the bitterness and start the healing process? Join the discussion.

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December 8, 2005, 6:08 am CST

Angry Mom

I think Michelle is in need of boot camp she needs to go through harsher treatments she has got to some how seeing how what she is doing is affecting the way her kids are living. The girls need a more postive outlook on life. I think the 2 girls need a change of environment. These girls need damage support they need to be shown that they are loved and wanted and cared for. I can't believe that Dr. Phil Sent her back home to abuse the girls some more.
December 8, 2005, 6:31 am CST

Michelle & Jamey

I'm going to give her a small amount of credit for trying to change.But she makes me want to puke myself.Her comment about the messages on here and people not saying it to her face goes to show just how childish she is.I personally would LOVE the chance to tell her to her face that she needs to have her kids takin away. 


I mean honestly, kids equal stress.I had my daughter when I was 15.She's 8 now,and yes I get upset with her at times.But ALL kids act up.Her children were doing NOTHING to deserve what she did.I would NEVER do that to my child. 


If she continues on this path I fear that her children will grow up to be just like her.She is starting a domino effect with them and it will only get worse unless she is stopped now. 


Michelle I pray that you get serious help and straighten up now before it's too late.And Jamey, you cannot let her continue this way. 

December 8, 2005, 6:32 am CST

You all just dont understand....

This is something she cannot totally control... I am there as well only I know what is going on and I know its wrong and I am doing something about it way before this show.  In fact before this show aired I just emailed Robin like a week ago after I found all this out that maybe some of these tempered women have chemical and hormone imbalance... it does this to us!!   


I do love my kids I have loved kids all my life babysat, taught classes etc... 


Here is my life picture...  As a Teen I got aggressive.. got mad easily and threw tempers.. not normal tempers... but ones that were hard to control.  If I didnt have a good upbrining who knows where Id be if I acted out on every temper the way I really wanted to?  But there was so much I could control, and so much I couldnt. 


I started smoking and that put a relief on that even though I didnt know it at the time it just happend so like this lady i just thought I got a handle on it when really it was just a cover up a mask of the problem..... At age 20 I started growing a few chin hairs etc... never gained much weight always skinny though. 


Well now I have quitted smoking in last 4 years and my temper has returned... ITS NOT AS CONTROLABLE as you all think... I could control parts of it but not all of it and when I did I still had that anger and fire in my head that I couldnt not express.  


I went to a hormone specialist.. they started me on progesterone... well that worked GREAT..... but after a couple months I slowly started back again... so they upped it and it worked again!!  but then again in a couplemonths same thing... so they had me take a salava test... it showed my progesterone was fine as well as my estrogen .. but my testosterone levels were doubled what they should be.  TOO HIGH... well I have tried to research about this and almost everything they have online is how to INCREASE testosterone levels.!!!! 


They gave me some supplements to help lower the testosterone... as Ijust got this news within the last week...and the supplements are not working yet... I seem to get worse and worse.... Most of the time you have high testosterone levels it means you could most likely have cyst on your ovaries.  So that will be checked with my appointment I already had scheduled in Mid Jan... but I will be calling doc today as I am getting worse now not better... 


But did you know a majority of women in prison who have done crimes have high testosterone levels?  Some people dont know its something that can be fixed... sure sometimes its some to do with how you react and how you control it... but you can only control so much... TRUST ME!!!  You can prevent yourself from going too far... but you cannot control ALL of it without some fix to what is chemically wrong.  REASON I mentioned smoking might have put a damper on it is because smoking lowers testosterone levels in men... so might have done that for me because as I was smoking I didnt have near the aggressiveness as I do now and before I started. 


I dont think you all should judge... you never been here... you never experienced this!!!  Its like I am Mr Hyde and Dr Jeckle and when I try and be Mr Hyde... Dr Jeckle is still in my head trying to get out!!  ITs not a pycho thing.... its a body chemical balance thing and they can be fixed!!   This woman has some chemical imbalance Dr Phil stated that on his show!  Now she just needs the medications to balance them out and I bet you anything it would be a total new person with her.  ITs not a lifetime thing, and hormones change as you get older as well... ALOT of menopausal women are on hormone supplements, and they make natural supplements of them now where they not only DONT cause cancer but they help PREVENT cancer. 


I know because somethings have worked for me even short term such as the progesterone... only reason it didnt keep working is because my levels are fine... that is mainly for estrogen dominance which has similar symptoms as the high testosterone... but my estrogen levels are fine... so raising and giving me more progesterone.. well in a couple months my estrogen is coming back to level out with it... so it came back.. 


Until you had some thing like this... I dont think you should judge, that is for God to do.  Just because you think your perfect and it looks as though she is such a terrible person... you have to see the inside.   


I believe many women has some sort of hormone imbalance or chemical imbalance that has some effect on their bodys and how they function... and its proven fact nowdays.  it effects losing weight, it effects hair growth and hair loss, it effects irratability, it effects moods, it effects aggressiveness, sleepiness, loss of muscle and bone mass, not able to sleep well, so many things and some symptoms are stronger than others. 


Be more open minded and do some research... you will see that this is something that is coming out strong and it will only get bigger as they figure out more.   

December 8, 2005, 6:53 am CST

Michelle - Hang in there..

Michelle - I know that you're receiving an overwhelming amount of negative criticism and that it's hard to read and listen to.  Please hang in there and stay with Dr. Phil and let him help you through this.  I KNOW.  I used to be an angry Mom.  It IS possible to get through it and you WILL feel much better once you do.  Will it ever go away completely?  Maybe not - but you can find your way to a more peaceful life and you can have control over the "monster inside".  I feel for you.  As difficult as it was to watch how you were screaming at your kids - I know that feeling.  It's not a good feeling.  I used to describe it as feeling like a raw nerve and everyone and everything is like an electric shock and you have no choice but to be angry ALL of the time.  Don't be too hard on yourself - just keep working with the doctors that Dr. Phil recommends and TALK to them and let them know how you are feeling.  They can help you - let them. There's a light in the tunnel Michelle and you CAN reach it!  I'll be thinking of you and your family and I'll be "supporting you from afar".    :)   Good luck!
December 8, 2005, 7:04 am CST


I found it very interesting that Michelle had high levels of metals in her blood which caused some of her aggression.  Michelle, do you live any where near high tension power lines, electrical substation or transformers?
December 8, 2005, 7:15 am CST

Underlying Depression?

I havent heard any mention of depression . It seems to me her anger stems from something else . As i saw mentioned , that could also be the result of a chemical imbalance. 

December 8, 2005, 7:17 am CST

There is no excuse

I have read a few posts in support of Michelle, they were all from angry women.  I'm sorry ladies but there is no excuse what's so ever for abusing your children.  My husband and I both grew up in homes were domestic violence was a daily occurence and we don't scream and yell and throw things at our children. 

I am sorry that Michelle had a lousy childhood but she is causing so much long term damage to her children and they need to be taken away from her. 

I know from personal experience you choose to hang on to your anger and lash out at the world or you get professional help and you get better.  It is just that black and white. Inncoent little children shouldn't have to suffer for one second just because you have "issues". 

December 8, 2005, 7:25 am CST

Social Anziety Disorder

Hello Michelle, I know how you feel.  I sounds like you, may have a chemical in balance.  Have a doctor ever subscribe to you Zoloft.  This helps you to stop focusing on the negative.  To see your life the way other people do.  I know that with the social anxiety disorder you feel that ever one is against you.  But you will be surprised how this chemical inbalance distrorts your thinking.  Please talk to your doctor.
December 8, 2005, 7:30 am CST

Michelle & Jamey

I also grew up in a very dysfunctional family and the need to get out of that was so very important.  I can not even imagine how they stay in that environment.  I do think that Dr. Phil could have done a little more.  One of the things that I picked up on was that Michelle said that she could not attend therapy three days a week because of carpooling with the one vehicle for 2 families.  Dr. Phil's response was, "You should set up a cot."  She agreed, but what Dr. Phil has to understand is that if they can not even get out of that house, how is she going to get to therapy when she has the carpooling job and her parents don't even think she should be going to therapy at all.  Dr. Phil, I understand that maybe you want her to find a way to do it on her on, so she realizes how important it is, but you can't get money from a turnip.  Either give them a car (the Oprah way, actually Oprah would probably just give them a house!!), or even just set something up with a taxi service to take her only to therapy and back.  Trust me, I have benefitted from therapy and I wholeheartedly feel this is for the best, second only to getting her out of the situation she is in (her parent's home).  We all need to remember, when people out there think that the kids should be removed because of the abuse, Michelle is still in an abusive situation if her parents are not supportive and tell her how much they hate what she is doing.  That is emotional abuse!
December 8, 2005, 7:32 am CST


Okay, I am worried about her children, but i am also worried about Michelle.  She seems to be severly depressed to me, and everyone knows what that can lead to.  I have four young children, and believe me, I know how stressful it is, and how easy it is to get angry and scream.  I have complete faith in Dr. Phil and I give Michelle my best.  Listen to Dr. Phil, I really think he can and will help you with your problems.  Best Wishes--T. Ackison    (
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