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Created on : Wednesday, October 10, 2007, 10:58:52 am
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Early Sunday morning in Crandon, a small Wisconsin logging town, 20-year-old deputy sheriff Tyler Peterson went on a shooting rampage killing six people and critically wounding another before authorities fatally shot him. A part-time police officer, Peterson fired thirty rounds of ammunition on his ex-girlfriend and a group of friends who had gathered for pizza and movies to celebrate homecoming weekend. Who was Tyler Peterson, and what drove him to murder six people in cold blood? What is the profile of a mass murderer, and does he fit the description? How could Peterson have slipped through the system to become a law enforcement officer, and how do we keep it from happening again? Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence.* From the 1999 Columbine massacre to the nation's deadliest shooting rampage in history at Virginia Tech last April, mass shootings in America continue to draw world scrutiny. Be there when Dr. Phil asks the tough questions. If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is gonna talk about it now! Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 15, 2007, 5:09 am CDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

Quote From: flthomcat

I can tell from your letter that you know little about guns and little about the training those who carry guns have! You also make it sound like all women can and will be overpowered. Speak for yourself. I have taken down 250 lb men in training. It's about SKILL, not size.

 

I am a former high school teacher (9 yrs) and a former felony parole officer (3 years). I have been trained to carry a firearm and I carry it when I travel alone with our children. I also have it close by when my husband is out of town and I carry it when I walk alone in the evenings.

 

I taught in a dangerous city school for 5 years. Kids were being arrested in my classroom. I had kids waiting trial (in seats) who were charged with attempted murder (drive by shootings), car jackings, home invasions, etc. THESE are just some of the kids in our public high schools nationwide. These are just some of the kids who sit next to innocent little Sally Sue and Johnny. John Q Public doesn't know half the story!

 

All I had was a cell phone when I was stalked by a night school teen and threatened with death by a suicidal kid (I was 8 months pregnant at the time). Do you really think my phone would have worked well against one of these young thugs with a gun? Should we just liine up and allow one of them to shoot us....kids, me, students on the other sides of the thin walls?

 

People who carry concealed weapons have to keep them secured on their body and out of sight. Nobody ever knows when I was carrying my weapon. They're not supposed to. The weapon is there for  me to use if ever needed. I have had enough training to be responsible. How many crimes have you heard where a person carrying a concealed weapon has shot someone who wasn't attacking? I have heard of ZERO and I am in my 40's.

 

TRUST ME, LADY. If a student WANTS to kill, he will kill. It won't be a teacher's concealed weapon he uses. He'll just bring one with him to school!!!

 

You're right, you are not "fearful." You are clueless and uninformed. You will be serving tea and crumpets to a home invader as your kids are being killed. Or better yet, dial 911 and just ask the attacker to wait until law enforcement arrives in 10 minutes. GEESH>

 

I don't want or need revenge. I am against the death penalthy AND against killing babies (apparently that's ok with many women). But I do have a right to protect myself and my family. This idea that a teacher's gun will CAUSE some kid to kill is just plain FOOLISH.

 

Look at the teacher who is suing to carry one. Her ex-husband has threatened to kill her. She's a teacher with students. Do you want her to be unarmed when he walks into her classroom and starts shooting her and her students? I'd rather she be TRAINED and carry a gun. At least my child would stand a chance!

Thank you for your very articulate reply to such an ill-formed woman. I replied to her, but I am so glad that a teacher did, also. I am a woman with my concealed weapons permit and I guarantee you nobody has a clue I have it.  And as you referred to in your message, I won't have to wait for the police to come and rescue me. I can do that myself thank you.

 

Another point. I don't think most people realize that getting a concealed weapon permit is not like going to the local outdoor store and getting a hunting or fishing license. Shooters must take an all day class on gun safety and laws that pertain to self-defense along with other pertinant material. Then they take a test that must be passed. Then that same day or another day, the shooter must take a practical shooting test outdoors. And on top of passing both of these steps, you must pass a stringent background check. So when we carry our guns, it is not some macho or vigilante thing. We are trained to defend ourselves and will do it to protect ourselves, our families and our property.

 
October 15, 2007, 5:11 am CDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

Quote From: flthomcat

You know, I am REALLY bugged by all the posts blaming bullying for kids picking up guns and slaughtering kids and teachers. Bullying has gone on for centuries (it's sadly apart of human nature), but it wasn't until a couple of decades ago that guns and other weapons started being used against these supposed "bullies" (half the time the targets aren't even the bullies!)

 

Kids who are raised well with love, attention, TIME, rules, structure, support, GOD, etc, do not pick up guns and kill others. Some of these kids get depressed, but they committ suicide not homocide.

 

The bottom line is these killing teens have FAMILY PROBLEMS. They have dysfunction in their families that 99% of the time lie at the feet of their parents (if they even have 2 parents these days). American families are in the toilets these days due to drugs, adultry, divorce, parents being lousy role models, parents being too busy for their kids, etc.

 

Kids who are raised in strong families aren't the ones constantly picked on. They can handle the bullying and know what to say and do to stop it. Many tell their caring parents who get involved. Kid without the strong family structure are easy targets for more aggressive kids and they often have nobody they feel they can tell.

 

Kids like the young man who recently killed others and himself DO NOT KILL because they were bullied.  That young man killed after years of sadness, isolation and probably depression. The school probably did not do enough to help this young man, but they are not the primary responsible party. The bottom line is always the parents.

 

Bullying was the least of that boy's problems!!!

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
October 15, 2007, 5:21 am CDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

Quote From: flthomcat

First of all, you are listening to Michael Moore, a talented man who unfortunately is so jaded and dishonest in his films. He's an avowed socialist whose glass is always half empty. He talks about public schools, but lives in a pent house apartment with armed security as he sends his children to PRIVATE school. His dishonesty in one firm has already been well documented, so I would not be surprised if his Columbine film had the same problems. Moore caters to people like you who live in another country and do not know much about the U.S....you get your news from Hollywood and the biased American press that shows only the message it wishes to get out.

 

I am sure you have problems now that the honest people do not have guns. Criminals will NOT turn over guns. Only the honest peope will (the same people who will never shoot anyone in their lifetimes unless their lives are directly threatened). You are sitting ducks for criminals. Perhaps that's OK with you, but my children deserve more than that. I want to protect them when someone coming to rape and kill my family (for either robbery or just plain sport) enters my locked home. And under our CONSTITUTION, something you apparently don't know about or care about, I have that right to protect my family. I have trigger locks on my guns, had to go thru extensive training to carry them on me and they are only used during practice at the range. However, they WILL be used if I or my family are ever attacked.

 

This is America. With all it's problems, it's STILL the most free country on earth. Anyone who wants to succeed here, WILL succeed here. People aren't sneaking into your country so apparently our beautiful America isn't that bad after all! "Shudder" all you want, but  it's obvious you haven't lived here and you don't know all the wonderful things America has to offer (that's problaby because you are listening to Michael Moore, who does NOT love this country....expect the money he makes off it).

 

By the way, have your forgotten how your country was formed? Talk about funny.....

I agree with you. Good response. I have one bit of advice to you, though. Take those stupid trigger locks off your guns. My husband and I do practical shooting. The distance between a homeowner and say a home invader is going to be less than 25 feet. You can rest assurred if that guy has a gun he has no trigger lock on it. You are at an extreme disadvantage. You are going to be full of adrenaline and will find it very hard to get that lock off in a timely matter to defend yourself and your family. Teach your kids to leave your guns alone until they are old enough to shoot and then teach them to shoot and gun safety. That is what we did with our daughter. We know lots of shooters with kids and I know that none of them had trigger locks. That is buying into Michael Moore thinking right there. Your kids don't even have to know where you keep your gun that you would use in case of a home invasion. Please do this. It could save a life---Yours.
 
October 15, 2007, 5:23 am CDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

Quote From: upnorthgirl

I just wanted to take this time to Thank everyone for their kind words for the lost in our community.  One of the victims was my cousin and the others we all knew.  There are no words to describe how emotions are around here, but our community will pull together and be one again.  We need to remember all of the families who lost loved ones and also the Peterson family.  They also have many unanswered questions their selves.  We can't judge a family by what a family member has done.  Thank you all so much again from Crandon, Wisconsin.
My husband's cousin was one of the victims.  The out pouring of support to the family has been overwelming.  We drove over 5 hours from another state to be with them.  They are working on getting better each day to heal their pain.  They are taking it one day at a time.  Thank you for all the prayers.
 
October 15, 2007, 5:29 am CDT

NOT ESCALATION

Quote From: readmore

I HAVE spoken for myself.   I stand behind each post I have taken the time to write on this issue.

 

Other viewers have agreed that violence is not an answer.  It is the problem!

 

Perhaps you could open your mind to the possibility that arming everyone is escalation.

 

 

 

Gun ownership by responsible, law-abiding citizens does not equal violence. We who own guns are just not going to be like sheep going to slaughter and just stand by and wait for the police or the government to come and save us. It has been stated on this message board and it is a proven fact. In the states where citizens are allowed to get a concealed weapon permit to carry a gun for protection the crime rate has gone down.  You can not refute that and you cannot equal gun ownership in this country with ill-raised, ill-mannered kids who cannot control their emotions.
 
October 15, 2007, 5:35 am CDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

Quote From: manofgoods

First of all, my condolences to all the families.

 

Second, you are so right on the money! If people like Tyler Peterson weren't being publicly riducled, and/or being bullied, then none of this would have happened. People like him that are being bullied constantly, etc., will consider killing someone. Therefore, I feel sorry for him & everyone else who is like him as well. Remember, what goes around, comes around.

You are so wrong.  Tyler was not picked on or pubicly riducled!  He was a controling person that wanted his girl back.  He made a wrong choise on how to handle things. 

 
October 15, 2007, 5:38 am CDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

Quote From: flthomcat

Your post puts ALL the blame on the victims. Everyone of us has been harrassed or bullied or picked on or called names at some time in our lives. Everyone of us has had to walk away from fights or get into fights to defend ourselves.

 

Bullying is wrong, but it is sadly a part of life. What is really WRONG is that families are dysfunctional and children are not given the time and attention they need. They are given plenty of STUFF, in most cases, but  not love, family talks, attention, guidance, discipline, encouragement, support, etc.

 

Tyler Peterson may have had things rough, but Tyler Peterson had no right to take a life. Bullies do NOT deserve to die. They are insecure HUMAN BEINGS who should be stopped without violence.

 

Let's not make Tyler Peterson to be the victim and the real victims to be the guilty parties. Let's keep it in perspective. MUCH of the blame goes to the parents of young kids....you know there is SOMETHING wrong in the home (and the raising process) for a kid to be so violent and want to kill.

I a greee with you.  Tyler was told to leave the party.  He did leave, then returned to kill.  He was only to blame.  The kids at the party did not have any guns.  They did not touch Tyler.  They just wanted to to go home. 
 
October 15, 2007, 5:40 am CDT

10/12 Homecoming Shooting

Quote From: fromthesquare

I know that you are a teacher and respect your opinion because you LIVE there.  I am not suggesting arming classrooms.  That would be overkill if not downright stupid.  We have armed guards who protect our banks, malls, some office buildings.  Why not our schools?  How about an "Officer Friendly" that walks the halls that kids can learn to respect and trust.  Someone that they can turn to when they hear someone threaten to "blow away" students.  Our kids are our most precious resource.  I have kids in high school, middle school and elementary school.  I want to know that all the possible resources are in place to keep them safe.  In each of our school shootings no one has been able to protect those kids. 

Let's talk!!

I've got news for you. A lot of those guards that you are depending on to save you do not carry guns because they are not allowed to. A lot of schools around here already have police officers in them. That is their "beat" so they do get to know the kids and the kids get to know them. But even he can't be expected to be the only line of defense between a teacher and a class room and an upset student. That is why arming teachers is not a stupid idea. It does not have to be something forced on the teacher. And they would definitely be sent to practical shooting classes. If I had a child in any grade from 1-12, I would feel totally at ease knowing that the teacher had the means to keep a tragedy either from happening or keep it from escalating.
 
October 15, 2007, 6:31 am CDT

Media reports news about victims in shoot to not talk to media....

Quote From: mountainfader

I have lived all over the country and have encountered censorship in each state I have lived in

 

When I lived in the South if the local network did not care for the subject matter they merely had a blank screen.  This censorship would range from something sexual (t.v. sexual that is) learning about, in context with a story, etc. and of course all the political and some religion issues.

 

For the past 4 years I have encountered POLITICAL censorship a number of times.  I took to watching BBC News on Public Television about 3 years ago in order to find out what was happening in the WORLD.  How much news of the WORLD does one get on the network news. Practically NADA. Not only do we not know what is going on in the world, we do not get to see a number of things. 

 

When was the last time a Network covered any kind of demonstration against anything? When was the last time a Network showed anyone picking at the White house?  When was the last time a Network showed film of our brave and dedicated troops fighting and dying to show how IT REALLY IS in Iraq.

 

We got to watch the Vietnam War with all its gore every night at dinnertime in the 60's and70's. We understtod just what was happening in that horrible bloodbath. Iraq is no different, so why no true coverage?

 

Aren't we allowed anymore in this country to see the truth. Where is CRONKITE when we need him? They got rid of RATHER and others of the truth genre so who's left? KATIE I don't think so as her first report on her first day was how great the oil companies are to do alll theat offshore drilling. WHat a dissapointment.

The News Reports from Iraq show a correspondent reporting from a night backdrop of Baghdad speaking about what Bush or the latest Generals had to say.

 

Braver correspondents have been Wounded and Killed in Action  and I respect that.  Don't let their reporting and sacrifice go to waste.

 

Anyway back to Censorship.  Watch the BBC for one week to find out what the story is.  BEWARE even Public Television is Censored.  If the Brits say something or show something not to cool it is indeed blocked out.  I am not talking about not being a patriot, I am talking about the right to know EVERYTHING

 

PAY ATTENTION TO WHEN THE SCREEN   GOES BLACK OR FUZZY OR THE SOUND GOES on any channel.  You will soon find that we are all not allowed to see the truth

The blot is growing according to the State of Wisconsin

News report Monday morning Oct. 14, 2007. It appears

the block of Dr. Phil show wasn't all that is being controlled

in Wisconsin. How are parents talk to there kids about

truth and facts when our own State Attorney General is

telling them not to talk to media. What are we ashamed of ?

   People are human and bad things happen in all

profession's, this doesn't mean all officers are bad. This is

very disappointing to read this article in the Wisconsin news

this morning.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WI_WISCONSIN_SHOOTING_VAN_HOLLEN_WIOL-?SITE=WIFON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

 

Dr. Phil can you mend the gap in Media and Government

to see that John Q public needs to hear facts and solutions

to avoid these situations from happening again. We can't

hide the truth by controlling the media input to the public.

 

Isn't this our 1st amendment right for the public as well

as the media to report  & read the truth?

 
October 15, 2007, 7:09 am CDT

THE STORY IS TRUE

Quote From: readmore

In a landmark case, the United States Supreme Court held that life is more precious than property.

It does not matter if you are old or involved with a church.   It does not matter. 

You cannot kill to "defend (his) home."  

 

The "spring-gun" case was the result of a farmer who rigged a gun to shoot trespassers in his abandoned farm property.    The Court properly held that killing, to protect property, is not permitted.

 

You fail to cite the newspaper/date that details the situation you descibe.  (If it is a true story.)

You state the old man was cut. (Who cut him and when? After the shooting?  To stage "self-defense"?)

 

So many television dramas teach people how to kill and get away with it. 

Crime and burglary are real problems.   Get your facts straight about the law and "self-defense."  

 

Self-defense is not protecting your home.   It is responding with reasonable force to an attacker.  

Of course you can not rig a gun like you described. But here in the state of South Carolina there have unfortunately been many cases like the one I related . The story is true. It happened to a man in Fountain Inn, SC. If you don't believe me, then go on line to The Greenville News website and look up the story in the archives. As I stated, the intruder was in the bathroom. When he came out of the bathroom, he cut the elderly man several times. Then he was shot and killed and it was ruled self-defense--which it was. They didn't have to stage anything. And that is a slam to that poor man who was just trying to enjoy an evening at home.

How can you say that self-defense is not protecting your home? When someone breaks into your home carrying a gun or knife, they are not there to invite you to tea. Most of these animals will kill you and not even think twice about it.  Your home is not just the structure. It is the people in it. The elderly man was at home with his wife. Her survival was his responsibility. And her life was precious to him. Reasonable force be damned. He shot the son of a bitch that broke into his home and that man won't be doing it again.

 
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