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Topic : 12/12 Convince Me!

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Created on : Friday, December 08, 2006, 02:31:23 pm
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Dr. Phil's guests are trying to convince him that they're not doing anything wrong. First up, Ty Beeson produces a video series where the homeless are encouraged to fight on camera and perform what some describe as demeaning stunts. Some critics say these videos could be responsible for inciting young men to commit heinous acts of violence, because Ty actually pays for the footage. You won't believe what happens when he comes onstage. It's a Dr. Phil first! Then, a woman whose homeless brother was beaten to death says what Ty is doing is dehumanizing and wrong. And, what do you think about the ban on models who are too thin? Drew is against the ban and says that it's not the fashion industry's job to keep an eye on the models, and skinny models promote a fantasy, not reality. A former model who was rejected by the industry at 6 feet tall and 135 pounds, disagrees with Drew, and she says her struggles to stay thin are still affecting her today. Then, Drew squares off with another model who was told she needed to lose weight. She turned a deaf ear and is now a model on Deal or No Deal. A heated discussion ensues, and Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial issues. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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December 12, 2006, 7:55 am CST

12/12 Convince Me!

Quote From: hopegirl09

I think one thing that was not discussed on the show was the image that men see.  I am a college student and I have seen how guys look at models and actresses.  They see these super skinny, tan girls and think that all girls should look like that.  Well, I hate to break it to the males, but most girls don't look like that so guys need to get it out of their minds that they are going to find this "perfect" girl.

98% of the men I know prefer women with curves.


But, could just be the men I know.  lol

December 12, 2006, 7:55 am CST

12/12 Convince Me!

Quote From: jeshogan

     this is OUTRAGOUS!!!!i have been to the point.i am five foot two inches, and am NEVER going to look the way these models do!!IT IS ALMOST EVERY YOUNG GIRLS DREAM TO BE A MODEL OR A SINGER OR AN ACTRESS AND HOW CAN YOU NOT EXPECT THEM TO DEVELOPE EATING DISORDERS WHEN TEENY TINY IS ALL THAT WE SEE?he says that they were just on the cover of a paper magazine.yes, true, THAT PEOPLE BUY AND ENVY THESE YOUNG WOMEN ON THESE COVERS!!!'s a problem.women starve to be these girls.little girls starve to be these girls.and sure some are "blessed" to be this small, BUT WE ARE NOT ALL BUILT THAT WAY!!!most of the population is not built that way!and sports is different.most of these women are healthy, which promotes EXERCISE!!!sorry but that is how i feel, at 20, i still wish i could be that thin.
I also agree with Dr. Phil.  I believe that yes, it is the parents' responsibilites ultimately to teach their children what is beautiful, BUT society also has a responsibility and shouldn't just do whatever they want.  If we only place responsibility on the parents, then we should allow day time cable TV to have hard-core porn and let it be the parents' job to keep their kids from watching and immulating it - that's ridiculous! There has to be boundaries b/c parents can't control everything their children think and do.  They can do their best to instill certain values in them, but research all over shows how much more peer and media influence adolescents than their parents at that age.  And when this guy was comparing the fashion industry/media to pro sports or talk show hosts, no way!  People don't starve themselves to death to try to be talk show hosts or professional athletes!
December 12, 2006, 8:00 am CST

Not everyone has to be a model

Fashion shows are art.  The music, lights, set...  No one is trying to sell the exact clothes they send down the runway. The fashion show is for the designer to show their creativity-  no one wears their make up like runway make up-  IT"S A SHOW.  I LOVE THEM - THE WAY THEY ARE>  There are some very tall & thin girls that don't have much intelligence,  & they are perfect for modelling.  When I was younger I ate my weight twice a day & could not gain a pound.  The women on the show want us to feel sorry for them because they ruin their own bodies trying to lose this weight.  There is no excuse for hurting your own body that I will accept.  When someone tells you to "lose 5 pounds by tomorrow",  say "yeah, alright" & then don't- see what happens.  The man raised a good point about Tyra Banks-  these girls could just be the best they could be & they would find their niche in the industry if that is where they are meant to be.  If not,   move on- we can't all be supermodels- DUH.  I'm a pilot & through my career there were flights offered that I did not want to take because they didn't seem safe.  I didn't take them.  I can't fly a trip,  almost get killed & then blame whoever offered the trip for putting me in an unsafe place.  TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN FREAKING CHOICES.  I am so sick of people whining that they can't get what they want & then trying to change an industry (in this case) so that they CAN get what they want.  THAT IS RIDICULOUS.  I totally agree with the guy & the dark haired model on the show .  I think that we shouldn't have to change an industry that works for so many people just because other people are too weak to "find themselves & be happy with who they are".  I travel all over this country &  I don't see that many people overly concerned with weight- the lines at the Mc D's & BK drive thrus speak volumes. Maybe it's a good lesson in finding yourself. "Social responsibility" shouldn't involve spoiling people.
December 12, 2006, 8:02 am CST

not thin enough nor tall enough

My daughter wanted to be a model/actress, so like any good parent i took and inrolled her in a very popular school for just this career. She was all excited and she seemed to be doing very well in her classes.   My daughter told me she had to watch what she ate cuz she was borderline over weight for the petite model and to short for the tall models. At this time in her life she was 12yr.old and she was 4' 2" and she wore a size little girls 6x or a  xsm. jrs. I thought ok maybe they just mean to cut out the snacks and soda. Well my daughter had always loved fresh veggie trays but now thats all she wanted. I told her she needed to drink her milk and eat more than just veggies,the body needed bread and meat. The day came for the parents fashion show and she was so excited about all the new outfits and doing the catwalk.  After her show she told me and her father she didnt want to do this anymore. We asked her why, cuz she looked great and did great on the catwalk. She said lets go and on the ride home she cried and said i will never be a model nor anactress cuz im to short to fat! She went almost a yr. thinking she was ugly and not good enough. She now thinks the fashion models are a joke and everyone must love and like themselves for who, what and how they look.not what someone else thinks. She is now 18yrs.old 5'5" and weighs 130lbs.and she wears a jrs size seven and shes in school to become a RN shes very happy! Her motto (you dont have to kill yourself to be someone just love yourself)

December 12, 2006, 8:07 am CST

We all have weight issues at some point

In this country the images of thin, waif like models are everywhere. It is nearly impossible not to want to fit into the body image that is projected. The style of the clothing available today features the skinny jean & body hugging Tees. If you are not very thin it is hard to dress fashionably. It's time to get back to reality and begin featuring models with average size figures. Dove has it right featuring real woman in their campaign. It gives me hope that we can be comfortable in our own skin.
December 12, 2006, 8:09 am CST

Society continues to desensitize

I grew up with a lot of turmoil in my home life and a few close friends and i also idealized models and those on TV on how we should look.  We subjected ourselves to losing it by depriving ourselves of food.  The 'boys' our age and older were constant reminders of how we should look by comparing us to those on the big screens or in magazines. 

Still today a lot of men today compare women to the airbrushed figures in magazines and the movies and expect or would definately like for their significant others to look like them. 

Women have enough self-esteem issues without the industry (all media) making it more damaging. 

I am 28 years old and fear to bring a child into this world because of the way it has been going.  With extensive regular television shows promoting sex, magazines promoting sex and well 'media' all together it is frightening to me.  Everything is being desensitized.  Adding on body images getting thinner is horrifying. 

I agreed with all of your models today.  There are some that just have the ability to eat whatever they want and not gain a pound...then there is ME...i'm not heavy but it is a constant struggle.  I am 142 and 5' 81/2".  I have an athletic build because i work out 5+ days a week.  But i have constant appearance issues.  Your models were beutiful and why in the world we do not try to promote inner beauty combined with outer beauty i will never understand.  We are our own worst critic.  If we add that it is expected of us to look like that then others will also do the same.  The pressure is too great for young girls that can not think of long-term effects.  My best-friend from high school that suffered from anorexia and bulimia lost her gull-bladder from it years later. 


The only way we can make a difference is to put all our resources together.  As Dr. Phil once said..."it's beuty lenses, hair extensions, air brushing, silicone, silicone, silicone!"  I love him! 

December 12, 2006, 8:11 am CST

12/12 Convince Me!

As far as I know, no one looks at a magazine or a tv show and suddenly develops an eating disorder.  These issues/illnesses run way deeper than than the media.


I totally agree with Dr. Phil's guest (Drew?), just because you aspire to do something doesn't necessarily mean that you CAN do it.  Look how many great athletes never make it professionally.  Or, look at all the "wedding singers" you see and hear in your town - - don't they sing as well, if not better than many of the people you hear on the radio? 


Not everybody has IT.  So, don't blame the people that do have IT for your failures, illnessess.


To all the folks who look at magazines and wish they  looked like the models, how about you get a foster child or something and find a more useful focus in your life?!  Or, if looking at magazines makes you so sick, how about not looking at them!


I look at magazines and think about how I can adapt the latest styles to my proportions (I'm 5 feet tall).  How about all the short people start crying about the extra expenses we incur to find stylish clothes, pay full price for them and then have to pay almost as much to have them tailored?


The last time a checked, the media was not the greatest source for shaping and defining a life.  So don't depend on it to define yours!

December 12, 2006, 8:13 am CST

Or More

Quote From: darkestwinged

 Brovo  Dr Phil.

    Some one should stop that man from making more of those videos.


Yes, or force him to fight in one.
December 12, 2006, 8:14 am CST

The Homeless

I can't believe people really treat homeless people that way, that was awful ! I'm glad you got rid of him too. Those homeless poeple Do not deserve that, I was homeless once,  it was No fun at all.  I also Host the Homeless on a regular basis at our church, as a matter of a fact Does Anyone Know why people just Refuse to host them ?
December 12, 2006, 8:17 am CST

12/12 Convince Me!

Quote From: mcneil42289

Dr. Phil I am amazed that that man actually thinks that skinny is in! My goodness I am 13 and I weigh around 114 lbs and 5 foot 4inches. You would think thats the average weight for a girl my age. Ha-ha. I am a softball player with really muscular legs. having models the size of coat hangers don't work for me . A pair of jeans don't fit  usually because  they are made for girls like that. As fast food restaurants have been getting bigger so has America so why cant our models get bigger too? I'm going to become a Famous actress I'm already getting turn down for certain roles in plays in my town. They say "You don't FIT for that role" what they are really saying " your too fat to have that role"  ( the nice way). I'm the biggest girl in my friends they are all dancers or way active in sports. (I'm not!) so some times i feel pressured in being thin. I think having models on the runway being the average Jane and Joe will make people feel better about themselves. I know I would. I have not eaten for a day or two before to look skinnier. All i look like is sick. If there was one thing that I could change about the runway is change there shape! If i was to ever buy something from the off the runway i would want it to fit. By having models look like the girl i saw on the street that is my size i could say "that would fit me i want to by that" Sadly not everyone sees that way. 

WHY AREN'T YOU IN SCHOOL?  In my house, no school, no tv, no radio, no Dr. Phil, no fun!


Honey, if people on the runways looked like regular Janes and Joes there would be fashion shows.  Who would pay to see what they can open up their doors and look at everyday for free?!

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